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Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007


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I use Outlook mainly because I deal with huge volumes of email that I need to shift around into folders and groupings. Overall I'm pretty happy with Outlook even though there are lots of people who complain about how slow and unwieldy it is, but to me personally Outlooks rich desktop interface is still hugely preferable to the clunky Web interfaces from the major email providers.

But there are some things really piss me off and for Office in general most of the piss off points are due to the damn UI choices made with the silly Ribbon interface Microsoft has bestowed on me.

Today I was replying to a message in Outlook when I inadvertently hit some key combination that triggered formatting marks to be enabled in any messages that I reply to. It's not the first time my fat fingers have gotten me into a sticky situation like this.

Of course I have no idea which key combo I hit, but I ended up stuck with this mess:

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The task now became how do I undo this option? Or more to the point - where do I find this option on the toolbars/ribbon. So I spent about 20 minutes hunting through the Ribbon's Reply Message interface trying to find the formatting display options and I came up blank.

In the end it turns out the setting is configured in the general message options which are available from the main menu button only on the Reply form (Click on the big round button and then Editor options in the bottom right corner):

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Uncheck the box and I'm on my way.

But finding this and many other non-everyday-options is a royal pain. It's even worse in large apps like Word where the menu and ribbon literally contain thousands of options. While some things are in obvious locations, the ribbon has reduced the number of items that you can get to LOGICALLY. If you're looking for advanced options or settings your not likely to find them on the ribbon or just as likely find them in some odd completely unexpected location. Say what you will about traditional menus being complex when they get deeply nested but they allow you maintain a hierarchy that can be arranged logically. The ribbon on the other hand makes easy things easy to find (which was also easy before) and makes it nearly impossible to find the complex  options that are purposefully buried because they are 'specialty' items.


The Voices of Reason


 

Shaun Kester
March 14, 2008

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

My users get that all the time in Outlook 2003, I feel your pain. No idea of the key combo that turns it on either.

Simon Hunt
March 14, 2008

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

This option is toggled via Ctrl-Shift-8.

There is also a toolbar button on the 'Format Text' ribbon bar in 'Paragraph' section.

Rick Strahl
March 14, 2008

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Thanks Simon. Talk about forest for the trees, eh? Oddly in my options it shows the shortcut as Ctrl-* but that doesn't work. Ctrl-Shift-8 does though.

Egil Hansen
March 15, 2008

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

I actually disagree with you in regards to the ribbon bar. I think it makes me more productive, and I actually find it easier to find things.

As far as I can see, all the things in the ribbon are related to the current document you are working on, and pretty well organized. If you change a setting that is not related to the current document, like if you want formatting marks to be displayed, they are quite logically found in the Options dialogue box.

I do understand that many people will have to relearn and change their working habits, but that do not make the ribbon bar a bad thing.

Rick Strahl
March 15, 2008

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

@Egil - like I said above, the Ribbon makes certain things more accessible, but at the cost of making the not so obvious things very, very difficult to find. Here's an excercise for you: Go try and find the custom template option in PowerPoint and once you find me tell me again about logically arranged layout <g>...

Ultimately there are two things that UI needs to accomplish: Make it easy to work with AND make it possible to find what you're looking for. The former is rarely a problem. Most applications whether using Ribbons or toolbars can make the most common choices available. But making the rest discoverable - that's an art form and one that Microsoft sucks at royally. The worst part is that in most cases you can't even search for the options because the docs are not even providing the needed information about location (or even functionality often times).

dminich
July 30, 2008

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

We remove the formatting marks, and next message reply and they are back again. Also, most users cannot see the reply text at all! We have to uninstall 2007 and put 2003 back on. This has driven us crazy for a week and we are waving the white flag!

Ruth
August 11, 2008

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

I almost waved the white flag, too, but then sort of stumbled upon realizing that you might have to uncheck the "Show all formatting marks" checkbox TWO TIMES. Try this and see if it works for you:

PART 1:
1) Open up a message.
2) Click the Office Button (the 'big round button' in the upper-left corner of the message).
3) Click the Editor Options button in the lower right corner of the window.
4) Click Display in the left-side navigation pane.
5) Uncheck the "Show all formatting marks" checkbox.
6) Click OK at the bottom of the window.

PART 2:
1) Open up a message.
2) Click REPLY to the message!! (This is the NEW step.)
3) Click the Office Button (the 'big round button' in the upper-left corner of the message).
4) Click the Editor Options button in the lower right corner of the window.
5) Click Display in the left-side navigation pane.
6) Uncheck the "Show all formatting marks" checkbox.
7) Click OK at the bottom of the window.

It does seem silly to have to do this, but give it a try.

c
October 17, 2008

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Thanks for posting this. I had this problem this morning.

Coon
November 07, 2008

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

I tried the Paragraph two-step and all my settings shoe that the paragraph are off. But when i start typing in a reply, low and behold, the little demons are back. Has anyone else had this problem?

Coon
November 07, 2008

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

I fixed my own problem and felt inclined to mention how. If anyone is having problems with the formatting marks appearing when you REPLY or FOWARD in Office 2007, try this:
1) Open a new email
2) From the ribbon click Signatures then 'Signatures...'
3) Click 'Personal Stationary' tab
4) Double check all of your 'Fonts...' for all 3 message types to make sure 'Hidden' or some other effect you don't want is NOT checked (Hidden was checked on my 'Replying and Forwarding' which is why the marks kept appearing AFTER I tried to reply or forward).
Hope this helps someone out there! We feel your pain!

Jenny Gong
November 10, 2008

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Ctrl+Shift+8 did the magic work for me! Thanks!

Jann
July 22, 2009

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

THANK YOU....thank you....thank you!

You wouldn't believe how much time I have spent trying to figure out HOW...and WHERE to turn this formatting off. The 'ctl' + 'shift' + * didn't work. Why they buried that 'editing options' on that reply screen is beyond me.

Russy
May 07, 2010

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Hey coon. Thanks loads for the Personal Stationery tip. Finally solved my problem. Like everyone else I (and my IT 'expert') were pulling our hair out. No idea how it happened but can only echo..why oh why oh why is it so obscure ???

Dave
June 03, 2010

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

The hidden box in the signature area solved my problem as well. Thanks -

Paul B.
June 22, 2010

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Ctrl + Shift + 8......works......thank you! I've always said that Word, Excel, Powerpoint, etc. are great Microsoft programs, but they must have hired another team to do Ouchlook!

Sorry Rick, you identified the problem exactly, but I had NO clue how to follow your fix......

Phillip
August 19, 2010

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Thanks and thanks again, the formatting marks caused my text in the body to disappear in all outgoing messages, so people received blank messages from me. Only containing the header and signiture.
That after I followed instructions on other forums and deleted all my rules, uninstalled AVG etc.

This from Ruth took care of my problem - Thanks Ruth

PART 1:
1) Open up a message.
2) Click the Office Button (the 'big round button' in the upper-left corner of the message).
3) Click the Editor Options button in the lower right corner of the window.
4) Click Display in the left-side navigation pane.
5) Uncheck the "Show all formatting marks" checkbox.
6) Click OK at the bottom of the window.

PART 2:
1) Open up a message.
2) Click REPLY to the message!! (This is the NEW step.)
3) Click the Office Button (the 'big round button' in the upper-left corner of the message).
4) Click the Editor Options button in the lower right corner of the window.
5) Click Display in the left-side navigation pane.
6) Uncheck the "Show all formatting marks" checkbox.
7) Click OK at the bottom of the window.

Lois
August 04, 2011

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Thank you so much...you saved me a lot of time and anquish!!!

Aydin Yavas
September 01, 2011

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Thanks Simon Hunt.
It worked and it was a real nuissance.
Long live Ctrl-Shift-8 !

Penni
September 26, 2011

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

You saved me! I was absolutely NOT going to call IT this time!

Jacob
October 03, 2011

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Thanks for the solution,
The hidden check-box in the signatures causes the paragraph marks to appear when you start typing, I think it's more of a bug then an option.
A new question arises, why is the formatting of replies etc. in the signature section ?
Its the last place where you start looking for a problem like this.
In outlook 2007 all the options are scattered all over the place.
The same option is also under:
Tools - Options - Mail Format tab - Stationary and Fonts

Jenny
January 25, 2012

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Thank you, you just saved me the time looking for the same thing with your clear instructions! The Outlook help brought up nothing relevant.

Jim
June 28, 2012

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Thanks, this drove me crazy yesterday! I hate how "&^%$#" difficult it twas to try & figure a simple edit option as this. Not sure I would have ever done it on my own. Thanks again!

Meg
November 14, 2012

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

Thank YOU! for posting this... 2nd time in 2 yrs I've done the very 'fat-fingered' thing that caused this visual snafu... and your answer was much faster than calling my IT dept!

Success!
March 27, 2013

# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007

If you still have this problem after following all other suggestions, please try the one below. It worked for me:

Ended up being the fonts under personal stationery in the Signatures options had the Hidden box checked. Unchecking that box resolved the issue.

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