Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007
I use Outlook mainly because I deal with huge volumes of email that I need to shift around into folders and groupings. Overall I'm pretty happy with Outlook even though there are lots of people who complain about how slow and unwieldy it is, but to me personally Outlooks rich desktop interface is still hugely preferable to the clunky Web interfaces from the major email providers.
But there are some things really piss me off and for Office in general most of the piss off points are due to the damn UI choices made with the silly Ribbon interface Microsoft has bestowed on me.
Today I was replying to a message in Outlook when I inadvertently hit some key combination that triggered formatting marks to be enabled in any messages that I reply to. It's not the first time my fat fingers have gotten me into a sticky situation like this.
Of course I have no idea which key combo I hit, but I ended up stuck with this mess:
The task now became how do I undo this option? Or more to the point - where do I find this option on the toolbars/ribbon. So I spent about 20 minutes hunting through the Ribbon's Reply Message interface trying to find the formatting display options and I came up blank.
In the end it turns out the setting is configured in the general message options which are available from the main menu button only on the Reply form (Click on the big round button and then Editor options in the bottom right corner):
Uncheck the box and I'm on my way.
But finding this and many other non-everyday-options is a royal pain. It's even worse in large apps like Word where the menu and ribbon literally contain thousands of options. While some things are in obvious locations, the ribbon has reduced the number of items that you can get to LOGICALLY. If you're looking for advanced options or settings your not likely to find them on the ribbon or just as likely find them in some odd completely unexpected location. Say what you will about traditional menus being complex when they get deeply nested but they allow you maintain a hierarchy that can be arranged logically. The ribbon on the other hand makes easy things easy to find (which was also easy before) and makes it nearly impossible to find the complex options that are purposefully buried because they are 'specialty' items.
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# re: Getting rid of Formatting Marks in Outlook 2007
There is also a toolbar button on the 'Format Text' ribbon bar in 'Paragraph' section.
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As far as I can see, all the things in the ribbon are related to the current document you are working on, and pretty well organized. If you change a setting that is not related to the current document, like if you want formatting marks to be displayed, they are quite logically found in the Options dialogue box.
I do understand that many people will have to relearn and change their working habits, but that do not make the ribbon bar a bad thing.
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Ultimately there are two things that UI needs to accomplish: Make it easy to work with AND make it possible to find what you're looking for. The former is rarely a problem. Most applications whether using Ribbons or toolbars can make the most common choices available. But making the rest discoverable - that's an art form and one that Microsoft sucks at royally. The worst part is that in most cases you can't even search for the options because the docs are not even providing the needed information about location (or even functionality often times).
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PART 1:
1) Open up a message.
2) Click the Office Button (the 'big round button' in the upper-left corner of the message).
3) Click the Editor Options button in the lower right corner of the window.
4) Click Display in the left-side navigation pane.
5) Uncheck the "Show all formatting marks" checkbox.
6) Click OK at the bottom of the window.
PART 2:
1) Open up a message.
2) Click REPLY to the message!! (This is the NEW step.)
3) Click the Office Button (the 'big round button' in the upper-left corner of the message).
4) Click the Editor Options button in the lower right corner of the window.
5) Click Display in the left-side navigation pane.
6) Uncheck the "Show all formatting marks" checkbox.
7) Click OK at the bottom of the window.
It does seem silly to have to do this, but give it a try.
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1) Open a new email
2) From the ribbon click Signatures then 'Signatures...'
3) Click 'Personal Stationary' tab
4) Double check all of your 'Fonts...' for all 3 message types to make sure 'Hidden' or some other effect you don't want is NOT checked (Hidden was checked on my 'Replying and Forwarding' which is why the marks kept appearing AFTER I tried to reply or forward).
Hope this helps someone out there! We feel your pain!
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You wouldn't believe how much time I have spent trying to figure out HOW...and WHERE to turn this formatting off. The 'ctl' + 'shift' + * didn't work. Why they buried that 'editing options' on that reply screen is beyond me.
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Sorry Rick, you identified the problem exactly, but I had NO clue how to follow your fix......
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That after I followed instructions on other forums and deleted all my rules, uninstalled AVG etc.
This from Ruth took care of my problem - Thanks Ruth
PART 1:
1) Open up a message.
2) Click the Office Button (the 'big round button' in the upper-left corner of the message).
3) Click the Editor Options button in the lower right corner of the window.
4) Click Display in the left-side navigation pane.
5) Uncheck the "Show all formatting marks" checkbox.
6) Click OK at the bottom of the window.
PART 2:
1) Open up a message.
2) Click REPLY to the message!! (This is the NEW step.)
3) Click the Office Button (the 'big round button' in the upper-left corner of the message).
4) Click the Editor Options button in the lower right corner of the window.
5) Click Display in the left-side navigation pane.
6) Uncheck the "Show all formatting marks" checkbox.
7) Click OK at the bottom of the window.
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It worked and it was a real nuissance.
Long live Ctrl-Shift-8 !
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The hidden check-box in the signatures causes the paragraph marks to appear when you start typing, I think it's more of a bug then an option.
A new question arises, why is the formatting of replies etc. in the signature section ?
Its the last place where you start looking for a problem like this.
In outlook 2007 all the options are scattered all over the place.
The same option is also under:
Tools - Options - Mail Format tab - Stationary and Fonts
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Ended up being the fonts under personal stationery in the Signatures options had the Hidden box checked. Unchecking that box resolved the issue.
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