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Google Click Fraud...


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Ran into this link today about Google Click Fraud:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060309/bs_nm/google_clickfraud_dc

 

I wonder how much of a problem this really is. I advertise on Google and I often wonder what percentage of the traffic that comes in from Google is valid or simply generated by a few people or even competitors that want to 'stick it to you'. Or from a site owner who's a little trigger happy to get a few extra bucks every month.

 

Google does a pretty good job of preventing repeat clicking, but if you are running a site that is hosting Google ads, it's still pretty tempting to click on ads on your own site to grab a few extra dollars here or there.

 

Some links are damn expensive to advertisers with clicks that can garner multiple dollars per click. I'm always blown away when I look at my own AdAense logs and see a single click that generated $1.50 for me – I hate to think what the owner paid <g>…

 

Obviously the system must work reasonably well otherwise people wouldn't advertise on Google. In my experience Google tends to work a heck of a lot better than print advertising and even at high per click rates it tends to cost a lot less than an ad in a big magazine. But Google advertising really addresses a totally different market too.  

 

But certainly Google is not the right to create any sort of brand recognition.

 

Actually anybody have any idea how Google prevents duplicate clicks? Cookie tracking most likely, but if you create an Http client that randomly changes the browser string, doesn't accept cookies, how could Google possibly trap that for example?

 

So $90 million is a slap on the wrist for Google. Curious about feedback what others are doing to track Google clicks and whether you've run into any patterns that might indicate fraudulent clicks. While it's fairly easy to track clicks and whether they lead to sales or return visits at least, tracking those one time clicks and where they came from is a heck of a lot harder.

 

On a related note, I've subdued my Google Advertising mainly because unfortunately Google's Ad Targeting seems to be very fluky at best. Apparently the problem on my site is its dual face with lots of .NET and Visual FoxPro content and Google seems to randomly alternate between targeting one or the other usually in the wrong places. So my Message Board which mostly deals with Fox content shows .NET ads and the WebLog which mostly shows .NET content shows many Fox ads. Go figure.

 

I've been back and forth with Google's Adsense specialists and they don't seem to be able to set up any sort of targeting hints that work. This even with Google specific content containers around the content (especially in this blog). In the end I'm back to letting Google pick its own best guess – and you might see this here with some mismatched content.

 


The Voices of Reason


 

Matthijs van der Vleuten
March 08, 2006

# re: Google Click Fraud...

According to the AdSense blog, it shows ads which generate you the most money. This implies that if people often click on FoxPro ads while on a .NET page (and less on .NET ads), AdSense will show mostly FoxPro ads.

Haacked
March 09, 2006

# re: Google Click Fraud...

My guess is they have some sort of click analysis. Clicking on the same link within a certain time period from the same IP address would be highly suspect, for example.

Eddie Caldwell
March 09, 2006

# re: Google Click Fraud...

Competetors and the like seem to be only a small part of the problem. For the most part, if someone has an on-going business they are quite likely to be reasonably trustworthy. So I feel you don't have to worry about most of the competitors. There are exceptions for sure. Disgruntled former employees are another potential source of click fraud but not a common problem.

The real problem does appear to be people who are professional click-fraudsters. Setting up dozens (maybe hundreds) of sites just for this purpose. You can often find these guys by looking at the referring sites and seeing that some crappy site is sending tons of clicks. Though they are getting smarter now, blocking their referer.

Google lets you opt out of partner advertising which reduced our Google bill by 30 percent without reducing our sales from Google sources. Yahoo/Overture does not offer this option. They give lip-service about click fraud but basically say 'trust us'. They won't share any log info about where the traffic is coming from. It seems the only way to get any info from them will be to sue them and get it in discovery.

justin
March 09, 2006

# re: Google Click Fraud...

Been using adwords for the past 3 years infact created many adwords that competitors are now using.

current shunts
shunt resistors
and many others.

Have been the top listed one ever sense creating these adwords. If you think $1.50 is bad try $2.33 a click i have $60 a day limit and it hit it daily. So Around 4pm to 5pm est we stop showing up. Thats an $1800 a month bill from google...

I would like to see more detail in the reports. I can back track a little with the web servers log using the reference url info.

As a test we turned google off for two weeks, web traffic and RFQ per day went to zero during the test.

We also pay Yahoo and MSN but their cotribution to our traffic is about 20%

The average click through rate is 5.44% which according to google is very high

Offcourse this product is directed at very small industry

Steve
March 10, 2006

# re: Google Click Fraud...

I've had my primary site booted off Google AdSense for "click fraud"...... unfortunately since google sees everyone else on the internet as an annoying gnat that it has no time for, i got no explaination, no description of how or when it happened, just a "we've terminated your adsense account because of click fraud, we owe you no explaination or details, now go f_ck yourself"....

i'm with Yahoo now, which is more or less the exact thing as AdSense right down to the interface, but there targetting is really bad.... hopefully it gets better as the product matures

Anatoly Lubarsky
March 10, 2006

# re: Google Click Fraud...

Google monitores IPs and and even clicks from the C part of the IP according to Google patent. Also they are able to monitor traffic via the toolbar.

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